There is passion in Iron Void's music that sets them apart from many bands of their ilk. This UK trio is rising quickly on the honesty and strength of their work and the interview below has some of the flavor of their music. This is an intelligent unit looking to the future and imbued with a rare quality in these cookie cutter times - genuine creative vision.
Doommantia:
This seems to be a prolific band - you're looking as far ahead as your third album already. Is the band on a creative high right now and can you describe the band's songwriting process?
Jonathan ‘Sealey’ Seale:
We definitely have a long-term plan. We’ve planned as far ahead as the fourth album, actually and I have a good idea of what our future releases will sound and look like. The third album will be a concept album based on the Arthurian legends, entitled ‘Excalibur’ and the fourth album will simply be entitled ‘IV’. We feel like the band is definitely moving in the right direction now after years of relative obscurity. We have been writing new material for the follow up to ‘Iron Void’ and it’s sounding great! Steve or I usually come to rehearsal with either a few riffs or sometimes a full song without lyrics. We then jam this with Damien, sort the arrangement of the song then we’ll start singing a basic melody to get an idea of what the vocals will sound like. I don’t sing anything in particular, just random words that come into my head. Then we start writing lyrics. Either we have a pre-conceived idea of what the lyrics will be about or we’ll just write something that sounds good and then build on that until we figure it out eventually.
Damien Park:
When we played Doom For The Doomed festival in Birmingham earlier this year, Sealey decided why not do another album. We have some new songs for the next album as well as some old ones that have been re- worked and ready to record. Makes more sense to do an album rather than an EP. When it comes to songwriting, Sealey and Steve come into the studio with riffs and ideas, then I listen to them and try to fit a certain drumbeat or drum fill to add extra dynamics.
Doommantia:
What can you tell us, at this point, about the follow-up?
Sealey:
We’re recording the follow up to the ‘Iron Void’ album in March 2015 at Skyhammer Studios (owned by Jon Davis from Conan) with Chris Fielding (Conan, Electric Wizard, Serpent Venom, Witchsorrow) engineering and co-producing, alongside ourselves. This will be entitled ‘Doomsday’and Goatess Doomwych will once again be creating the album artwork and inlay design. We hope to release this by August / September 2015 at the latest. The album will contain 11 tracks that are a mixture of old and new compositions.
Steve Wilson:
The new album was originally going to be an EP. We were talking about the songs at Doom for The Doomed fest in Birmingham back in May. That was when Sealey suggested we do two or three more songs and make it a full album. Iron Void was recorded in 2013 and was put together with no idea which label would release it (if any). We've had it a year longer than the fans and we've had enough time to put a new set of songs together. I'm looking forward to recording with Chris and seeing what guitar tones we can get out of his valve amps. As far as mastering goes, we’ll probably use James Plotkin again.
Damien:
I’m looking forward to recording at Skyhammer Studios. I’d like to see what kind of sounds we can get from the guitars and drums with their methods of recording.
Doommantia:
How have the live shows been going and what sort of future touring does the band have lined up?
Sealey:
We’ve just completed a UK tour with Goatess, which was a fantastic experience and a very successful tour. We had a few technical hiccups with the guitar pedals at the Wakefield show but the rest of the tour went really well. We had some great turnouts at the shows, sold a lot of merch and it was an honour to tour with Goatess and the legendary Chritus! We are headlining the 2nd day at ‘Doom Over Edinburgh’ in March 2015 and we’re looking at a couple of festival appearances that have yet to be confirmed in mainland Europe next year too. We’re also currently in the process of organizing another UK tour and a European tour for the end of 2015 which will take in dates in Germany, Holland and France if everything goes to plan. We have a pretty busy schedule planned!
Steve:
Losing power on stage put me off having only one power source for my whole pedal board. I think I'll just upgrade to a more powerful system rather than use less pedals. I was able to carry on with just wah pedal and still keep most of my sound (luckily overdrive was coming from the amp so no pedal needed). The tour was great overall and as Sealey said, it was a privilege to share a stage with Chritus and Goatess. A highlight for me was the cover of ‘Electric Funeral’ by Black Sabbath we did with Chritus at Scruffy Murphy's in Birmingham. That was one of our best sets I think, alongside Malta back in 2012.
Damien:
Out of the five dates we did for the UK tour with Goatess, Birmingham, Camden and Edinburgh were the best gigs of the tour. And it was a great privilege to have Chritus on stage with performing vocals on ‘Electric Funeral’. The only complication I had was when my beater from my kick pedal came off in the middle of the song. I just carried on and improvised, sometimes these things happen and you just have to think on the spot!
Doommantia:
A lot of bands have to make small or significant changes to their material when they play it live. Are these songs built for the stage?
Sealey:
Yes, absolutely! We don’t alter the songs in any way to play them live. Damien might add some different drum fills and Steve might improvise on his solos slightly but that’s it. I’m very conscious of being able to play our songs in the live environment because that’s what we enjoy the most.
Steve:
The album is a recorded version of the live songs, not the other way around. There may be more changes on future recordings, but these are mainly due to having one guitarist. Things like harmonies, adding rhythm guitar to solos, some acoustic overdubs. Otherwise, things are more or less the same live.
Damien:
When it comes to recording the songs, I keep it precise and simple with a few fills. But when I play live, I intend to go all out on the drums. When I am on stage and see the crowd, nerves are there but then my adrenaline kicks in and I just go into overdrive! I keep the main drumbeats down, so Sealey and Steve don’t get too lost. But when it comes to playing live, I want to give the crowd an experience that they will remember.
Doommantia:
While rock music is, in general, on the wane in America, European audiences turn out in such greater numbers that a lot of American bands I talk to can't wait to tour the UK and European continent. As a fan and musician, any theories why rock and metal's popularity persists overseas while Americans listen to pop and rap?
Sealey:
I don’t know really. I know our friends in Pilgrim toured the States recently and they lost money due to poor turnouts. To be honest, in the UK, the turnouts at shows up until recently were terrible. In mainland Europe, the shows are very well attended, even on a Sunday night. Perhaps we have better Beer, maybe that has something to do with it?! Ha, ha!
Steve:
I was surprised by the audience numbers on this tour. We had a good crowd every night, with the smallest turnout being Kraak in Manchester. We also did quite well on last year's tour with Hooded Priest and Arkham Witch but smaller, local gigs can vary. On a bad night, there could be just the other bands, sound engineer and bar staff! Fortunately, this doesn't happen too often because we always try and bring a good band, or two, with us to give people an incentive to turn out. We've never been to America but at a guess, I'd say distance could put people off traveling to gigs.
Doommantia:
It takes more commitment than ever before for artists in any field to pursue their dreams and make it pay. What does passion mean to you? How hard is it balancing the real world and pursuing your dreams?
Sealey:
Without passion, this band wouldn’t be where it is today. We’ve experienced severe financial difficulties in the past, setbacks, line-up changes, van breaking down, you know, the usual stuff bands experience but a lot of bands give up when these things happen. Not us, we have a single-minded determination to succeed and that is now starting to pay off, which is fantastic! It is very difficult balancing the band, a relationship and running a business too, I don’t know how I manage it sometimes! I book all our shows, promote the band online, and deal with a lot of the business side of things, so it can be very demanding on my time. I guess I’ve just accepted that this is the way it has to be if we want to make something of the band.
Steve:
I used to work temporary, often minimum wage jobs, spending the rest of my time on music. It worked OK for a while but I wasn't very happy in daily life. In the end, I did a part time degree with the Open University and now I'm working freelance. It's going well so far. If I can keep it going, I will have time and maybe even some money to carry on doing music. You have to do something that will allow space for the band otherwise there will be too much getting in the way of tours and recording. The new album will be recorded over two long weekends to make things a bit easier. We'll go back home and then come back and work on it again.
Damien:
At this moment in time, I am balancing two bands (my other one being Dead Party Scene). I just left a third band I also played in, due to not having much time for them and holding them back. I also work part time, to keep money flowing, as well as juggling a relationship. It is very hard at times, but with the love and support from family, friends, and the fans, my love and passion for music keeps me going and encourages me to do what I do best.
Doommatia:
There are obvious influences playing out over the album. What are some of the other bands that exert a big hold over this band's imagination?
Sealey:
I would say our three main influences are Black Sabbath, Saint Vitus, and Pentagram. We are also influenced by classic Heavy Metal bands such as Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Thin Lizzy and the N.W.O.B.H.M. We also draw influence from bands like Trouble, Cathedral, The Obsessed, Spirit Caravan, Pagan Altar, Iron Man, Revelation, Count Raven, Witchcraft, Warning, Venom, and Witchfinder General, among many others.
Steve:
I'd agree with most of those. I've been a Maiden fan since the age of 13. Definitely classic Rock and Metal (and Doom of course) but fused with more modern bands from the sort of Electric Wizard era. Iron Monkey stand out as the one band that taught me music could be a lot heavier.
Damien:
Since I was a small child, I have been surrounded with heavy music like Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, and Ozzy Osbourne. Then as I got older, I started getting into more extreme music such as Black Metal, Death Metal, Grindcore, Hardcore, etc. Right up to this day, I still listen to heavy music but from time to time, I go through stages. One day I will listen to Iron Monkey, Eyehategod, Electric Wizard, next day I might listen to Aphex Twin, Johnny Cash or movie soundtracks like Twin Peaks. Right now, I am listening to Mastodon and Big Business.
Doommantia:
Can you name a musical influence on the band that might surprise people?
Sealey:
I don’t know, maybe Metallica (pre-Black album)? Personally, I’m heavily influenced by Jimi Hendrix. I listen to a lot of Dub Reggae and Folk too!
Steve:
I listen to Classical music at home but I try to go for the heavier stuff. I've been listening to The Planets suite a lot lately. I also enjoy soundtracks, especially cult Horror film music. Goatess helped get us into The Osmonds on the tour, too!
Doommantia:
Bands like Iron Void get it. This sort of music needs a real swing in the drums, otherwise it turns into plodding nonsense. There's a lot of melody behind the band's huge power. How do you see the band's sound and approach growing from here?
Sealey:
We have always tried to compose songs that are heavy, but catchy, at the same time. ‘Doomsday’ is pretty heavy but will continue in the same vein as the debut album but ‘Excalibur’ will incorporate more acoustic guitars and possibly some female vocals, spoken word pieces and even a Recorder! We don’t want to veer too far away from our original sound but it will be different.
Steve:
We would have been a slower band if we had been able to find a drummer who was willing to slow down. We've found a good balance with Damien. The swinging drums play a big part in it, I'd agree with that. We were looking for that Bill Ward kind of feel to the drums and we got lucky.
Damien:
Being a versatile drummer does become an advantage, especially when I already listen to that kind of music. I know a few drummers who were in the band before me and they are great drummers, but for Sealey and Steve, they played either too fast or too technical. I am technical in my playing but I also like to put feel and groove into any kind of music I play. Before I joined Iron Void, I was discovering more Doom bands and listening to how different each band was. So when I joined, I was prepared for what kind of drummer they wanted.
Doommantia:
I read that, at least some of the lyrics were written very quickly. So when I listened to the album, I didn't expect much. I figured I'd get standard heavy metal lyrics 101, you know? Needless to say, I was quite surprised. Many of the lyrics are detailed and specific, not a trait one associates with a lot of classic metal, and some had strong narratives. Is there room to keep growing in that area for this band?
Sealey:
Definitely. Steve and I are very well read and we both share a passion for old Horror films, which is a theme we will continue to work with in future. Some of Steve’s lyrics were written mere days before we entered the studio and some took over 3 years to complete. We do work hard on our lyrics, which I think a lot of bands don’t do anymore.
Steve:
The third verse for 'Tyrant's Crown' was a last minute thing. I'd been repeating the first verse playing it live for about 2 years. I decided to write a new verse instead of repeating it but I only got it right a few days before we recorded. I usually spend more time on them. There's definitely room for more lyrical growth. ‘The Mad Monk’ is kind of a fantasy themed song but I chose it because there was a real-life Rasputin behind the story. We're drawn to English folk tales and legends (such as Robin Hood for Sealey's song, ‘Outlaw’). I'd rather cover that than, say, Norse mythology, which isn't as closely related to us.
Doommantia:
What was the last album, new or old, you heard that made a deep impact on you?
Sealey:
I would most definitely have to say the latest Serpent Venom album, ‘Of Things Seen & Unseen’. It’s a killer Doom album, filled with some heavy as fuck riffs and very catchy, accomplished song writing. The fact that they are friends of ours doesn’t even come into it, it’s just a classic album. I would probably say it’s my favorite album of 2014.
Steve:
I agree with the Serpent Venom album. I didn't realize it was recorded at Skyhammer until I read the booklet. I haven't listened to that many new albums this year but I'd choose the new Witch Mountain album, ‘Mobile of Angels’. I don't like the title much if I'm being honest, but it's a good album made a bit sad by the fact their singer was planning to leave. That's the type of thing I listen to now. Big riffs and powerful vocals. I'm not bothered about fast, fancy playing any more. It can be two chords and still work.
Damien:
After our tour, I’ve been listening to a lot of Judas Priest and the first four Metallica albums. Right now, I am listening to Mastodon “Leviathan” on vinyl to be followed by ‘Head For The Shallow + Battlefields Forever” albums by Big Business.
Doommantia:
A small, but significant, part of the album's appeal comes from the song sequencing. It flows very nicely. Is that something that the band gave a lot of thought to?
Sealey:
Thank you! Yes, we did think a lot about the sequence of the songs. We have 3 real mid-tempo heavy hitters up first (‘Tyrant’s Crown’, ‘I Am War’ and ‘The Mad Monk’), then the album slows down somewhat, before picking up the pace again with ‘Own Worst Enemy’ and then we slow down again until the final, instrumental track (‘Xylanthia’), which has an almost acoustic feel to bring you back down to earth after the heaviness of the album.
Steve:
Sealey takes charge and puts together most of our set lists. He talked the track listing over with us and I remember we all agreed to have Xylanthia at the end. I usually go with his suggestions as they seem to work and a lot of thought goes into them.
Doommantia:
Did the band record the songs live and add some overdubs? It has a very live feel.
Sealey:
We recorded the drums with me and Steve playing along at the same time. We then re-recorded the bass and rhythm guitars followed by guitar leads and finally the vocals. Some of the vocals were double tracked, but yes, it does have a live feel and this was intentional.
Steve:
We double tracked my vocals because they seemed to sound a bit thin in the studio with just one track. We probably didn't need to do it but the finished product sounds good so we must have been on the right track. The album has four rhythm guitar tracks too, with different combinations of pedals and amps. Matt Richardson gave me the option of recording two or four and I decided to do the extra work.
Doommantia:
What was the last show you attended as an audience member?
Sealey:
Just before our UK tour with Goatess, I went to see Trouble in Manchester supported by our good friends, Serpent Venom. It was an awesome gig, SV absolutely destroyed the place with their heavy as fuck Doom attack and Trouble were fantastic! It was the first time I’ve seen them with Kyle Thomas singing and probably one of the best times I’ve seen them. He’s got a great voice and the note perfect guitars of Franklin and Wartell make them one of the best duel guitar bands in Metal.
Steve:
Damnation Festival in Leeds. Orange Goblin and Saint Vitus were the highlights for me and the reason I bought a ticket. Vitus were on form and they showed us how it's done as usual.
Damien:
Same as Steve, Damnation Festival in Leeds. Anaal Nathrakh, Saint Vitus, and Cannibal Corpse were the main highlights for me. But the latest gig I attended was Mastodon with support from Big Business in Manchester. It was one hell of a gig!
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